Monday, November 30, 2009

Four Dead, Still No Suspect Arrested

Local News Maurice Clemmons, man wanted for questioning, has troubling criminal history Seattle Times Newspaper

The police arrest a man, he is convicted of terrible crimes and then a politician releases him. Now four police officers are dead. My condolences to the friends and family of the fallen officers.

Send donations to LPIG Benevolent Fund at Post Office Box 99579, Lakewood, WA 98499.

A $120,000 reward is being offered for information. Tipline for this crime is (253) 591-5959 or (866) 977-2362.

Killed in this ambush were: Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39; Ronald Owens, 37; Tina Griswold, 40; and Greg Richards 42. Use their deaths to train harder and avoid complacency; that's what the SGT Says.

Sunday, November 29, 2009

Four At Once

Four police officers were murdered in California today. They were sitting in a shop writing reports and doing routine matters at the beginning of their shift. Anything you do can get you shot, even doing nothing.

All the time when on duty you need to be aware of your surroundings and be aware of the potential for attack. Sit so that you can see the exits. Be aware of where the exits and the cover is located.

I like to sit were it is difficult to see me from the entrance. So when the robbers enter they can't see me right away. Try to sit in such a way that you can draw your handgun. Anything you do can get you shot, even doing nothing, so be ready, that's what the SGT Says.

Saturday, November 28, 2009

Station Bombing

With the recent attack on Fort Hood, Texas an interesting question has come up. How safe is your police station? In decades ago, attacks on police departments were not that uncommon and they happen all around the world, even now. Not so much here in the USA.

With the on going War on Islamic Terror, ask yourself, how safe is your police station? How close can people park cars to your station? Can a member of the general public park their explosive filled car in your underground parking garage and blow up your whole building, like they tried in the first World Trade Center attack? Can they park right out in front of your door and blow up the front of the station, think about the Federal Building in Oklahoma City?

Can anyone walk right into your lobby and set off a suicide bomb and blow up a large number of people? How hard is it to get into your station? Do you let anyone in the back door? Who mops your floor? Trustees or contract janitors? Who searches the contract janitors, would you notice if they were someone new with a trashcan filled with explosives? Physical security of your own station is something to think about; that's what the SGT Says.

Friday, November 27, 2009

Red Gun

A police recruit was involved in a training incident where another officer was shot. The only time live ammunition should be used in training is on the range where the goal is to shoot targets. Real weapons should only be used in training when absolutely necessary. On the range, or when training how to clean the weapon.

Red Guns, Blue Guns, sure they can be expensive, but the cost on one unintended discharge can ruin a career, a life, even an agency. If I ran a police department, I would issue each officer a duty handgun and a matching Red Gun. Then every time the officer when on training, he could take his matching Red Gun and train with that.

Gun takeaways, tactical training, even some range training is best done with weapons that won't function with real ammunition. A Red Gun is only about $50. That's not much money. They last forever. They are terrific for avoiding injury or even death when training activities the officer may need to do, and not actually fire his weapon, that's what he SGT Says.

Thursday, November 26, 2009

11 Bodies

Cleveland Police Find 4 More Bodies at Suspect's Home -- Sphere News, Opinion and Analysis

Police have found the bodies of at least eleven people at this mans home in Cleveland, Illinois. They went there to arrest him on assault and rape charges. This tells us several things. The first is, bad people often do many bad things. Don't think that just because they guy you are going to arrest for assault and rape will not be dangerous when confronted by a group of police.

They were going to get a guy who apparently murdered eleven people, maybe more. He attacked several others. He is a very dangerous career criminal. Criminals like this can be very dangerous to responding officers.

When arresting a dangerous suspect, consider several options. Arresting them at home, there may be weapons or other suspects present. Arresting them at work, you may endanger innocent people. Perhaps arrest them between the curb and their front door. They are alone, in the open and have no cover. Look at your options, that's what the SGT Says.

Wednesday, November 25, 2009

Security Guards

Private security, properly trained, screened, hired and supervised are nomore dangerous than police and should carry no more liability. Policeacademies are very long, but most of it is not applicable for security work.Vehicle code? Child and sex crimes? Driving? An armed security guard standing a post does not need all that training that a regular police officer will require. They don't deal with the variety of crimes that police have to deal with and if there is something they can't handle, they call the police to handle it for them.

The liability should be the same for a security officer as it is for a police officer. Is he trained for what he is doing? Was he screened for the type of position he has? Is he properly supervised at his job? Security officers use deadly force often, just as police do and just as private citizens do. Private security guards are a great way to provide protection at a fraction of the cost of police. But they do not replace police, they are only a supplement. Look at your local police academy, and how much real training is given in use of force, probably only a small part of the academy. Give that to a guard and then screen out the bad guys and the people who should not be in the protective industry and they should be fine. If a criminal precipitates an act of violence, the liability should rest primarily on him, not the cop, not the guard; that's what the SGT Says.

Tuesday, November 24, 2009

Turkey Fights

Sometimes holidays bring families together. Sometimes families don't get along. Sometimes things go very bad and the police get called by the family or the neighbors.

Family disputes are very dangerous. When people get emotional, when they have been drinking, when they have been arguing, even fighting, they become irrational. Otherwise ordinary regular folks suddenly become raving maniacs who attack each other, and maybe the police.

When responding to a family dispute call, try and get some information before you get there. Have there been previous calls to this address, and how recently? Is there physical violence or is it just yelling? Are there weapons involved in the violence, are there guns in the house? How many people are involved and where are they now? Have they been drinking or using drugs today? How many people are on the property and a general description of them? A big party with thirty people requires more of a response than one or two officers, that's what the SGT Says.

Monday, November 23, 2009

DUI Turkey Day

Many people get depressed around the holidays and with Thanksgiving coming up it might be a good time for police to think about drunk drivers! Depressed people sometimes turn to alcohol to make themselves feel better.

On a day like Thanksgiving when families often gather, some people who may have problems with family members may start drinking early in the day. We often tend to think that we will find drunk drivers just after the bars close in the wee hours of the morning, but on a day like Thanksgiving, many people start drinking early.

Rather than cruise the areas around bars, check out the convenience store parking lots, liquor stores, and supermarket parking lots looking for persons driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs. They might just have to run out and get some extra beer, or dinner rolls, or cranberry sauce. Keep and eye out in atypical locations for people too intoxicated to drive, that's what the SGT Says.

Sunday, November 22, 2009

Tunnel Vision

In a high stress incident, your perception may be altered during and soon after the event. One of these is tunnel vision. You focus on one object or one person and everything else seems to go away. We often do this when we watch television or read a book. Everything else seems to disappear. A suspect pulls a gun or a knife, it is not unusual for the officer to focus on the suspect or sometimes even just he weapon.

The ability to tightly focus on an object is important, but in a deadly battle, we need to be aware of more than just the suspects gun hand. One way to combat this problem is to move. Move your whole body. If possible, move left or right to cover. By moving you will often force yourself to expand your vision and change your focus.

Most of the time when officers are killed in the line of duty there is more than one suspect. One way to see that other suspect is to train to scan the area before you re-holster your weapon on the range. Be quick on the draw, but slow on the return to the holster. Scan left, center, right and even to the rear before you re-holster your weapon. Doing so gives you a chance to break out of your tunnel vision and look for other suspects prior to putting your weapon away. Take every advantage in a gunfight; that's what the SGT Says.

Saturday, November 21, 2009

Dog Mouths

A couple days ago, one of the guys I work with was bitten in the hand by a dog. He said he was walking his dog and it was attacked by another dog. He put his hand in the mouth of the attacker and pried it's mouth open and got bit when the dog closed his mouth again. Dogs attack with the mouth. Their only real weapon is their teeth. Putting your hands near the teeth is not a good idea. You want the dog to open his mouth, don't use your hands to get him to do it.

A couple years ago a neighbors husky dog grabbed my daughters cat and was shaking it like a rag doll. A quick, hard kick to the hip caused the dog to drop the cat, which then ran way. I kicked the dog because my foot was covered in a shoe. If the dog were to have bitten my foot, he would have to either crush it with is jaws or pierce the shoe leather. Neither of those was likely. Kicking the hip, rather than the face had several advantages. I was less likely to miss the dog and kick the cat by mistake, and the dog would find it harder to get to me, since I was at the end without teeth.

If I was at work, I could have used my OC pepper spray, it works great on dogs, or I could have used my baton. The baton can be used as a lance to poke at the dog's face. Most dogs will drop whatever is in their mouth and bite on the baton. A side handle baton works well for this because it is easier to hold onto when the dog has the other end. Dogs also hate the Taser, just remove the cartridge and test it, they hate the snap, crackle, pop electrical sound; that's what the SGT Says.

Friday, November 20, 2009

Google It

Have you ever used Google Earth? It lets you see nearly anyplace in the United States from above. It is a great tool. If you are serving a search warrant or arrest warrant, run a search for the property. It will get you a very good view of the property that you can use to plan deployment, and look for potential escape routes, both for the suspect and the officers.

The other reason you can use it is to check the security of the properties you are responsible for guarding. Google Earth your police station. Look at were the police cars are parked. See how easy it is to get onto the property, how a terrorist could plan an attack on your station. Someone a thousand miles away can look at your police station and plan an attack using the type of imagery that only the US Government had twenty years ago.

Check out your city. Look at those properties were major incidents could happen. Your water reservoir, your high schools, your city hall, your electrical utilities, oil refineries, and other large places that might see major criminal activity. Google Earth, check it out, that's what the SGT Says.

Thursday, November 19, 2009

Ft. Hood

At Fort Hood, international Radical Islam moves in and kills and wounds a large number of Americans. Radical Islam does not have a hierarchical structure. There is no complex table of organization that has a pigeon hole for every member. It is millions of people with only vague connections to each other. What they share is not an organization, but rather an ideology.

The fact that the suspect was acting as an individual does not mean it is an act of individual motivation, but rather an act of terrorism. If there is no organization, then the individual cannot betray others who may be plotting acts of terror against the state.

This is one of the many reasons this type of enemy is so difficult to fight. There is no central control. There is no individual planning the attacks for others to carry out. At any time a radical individual can determine they are in a place to carry out an attack. Against an Army base, against a school, against a shopping center. It is up to us to be ready; that's what the SGT Says.

Wednesday, November 18, 2009

Suicide by Cop

PoliceOne report

A recent report says that perhaps as many as four out of ten officer involved shootings were a result of an attempt of suicide by cop. The very bad news for police is that people who try suicide for cop will do those things we most train to counter with gunfire. They will shoot at cops, shoot at innocent civilians, take hostages, or simulate weapons they don't have in order to get the police to react with deadly force.

Police work, particularly use of force, is predictable. Shoot to defend against deadly force. So, simply reverse that training. Depict that you are trying to use deadly force against a police officer and they will shoot you. A very logical train of thought.

Police who are forced to shoot a suicide by cop suspect are simply acting out their part in the equation. An officer who plays out his role in this evil game is only responding like he has been trained. He is doing what society, his agency and the suspect all expect him to do in that situation; that's what the SGT Says.

Tuesday, November 17, 2009

4 2 1

Officers Hurt in NJ Shootout

Police in New Jersey were working a stake out on two armed robbery suspects. One of the suspects came out with a shotgun and started shooting at the parked car with the two cops in it. Only two cops watching two potentially armed suspects. What's wrong with that picture?

If you were doing a traffic stop on a car that you knew contained two suspects from an armed robbery, how many units would you likely use in the traffic stop? I would think that you would get at least four two officer units, so that would be eight officers, as a minimum.

When doing a surveillance on two armed robbery suspects, you should have at least four, if not eight officers to watch them. Officers should have a numerical advantage of at least four to one whenever possible; that's what the SGT Says.

Monday, November 16, 2009

Range Rules

There are a few rules of range safety that always should be followed in range training.

Treat all guns as if they are loaded all the time. 

I run a hot range and so I expect all guns to be loaded once we start shooting.

Keep your firearm muzzle pointed in a safe direction at all times.

Since the weapon is considered loaded, naturally it must be pointed in a safe direction.

Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.

The trigger finger needs to come up on the trigger when the target is about to be shot.  The rest of the time the trigger finger needs to be indexed along the slide.

Know what is behind your target.

Unlike the suspects, we are expected to be responsible for every round we fire.  That sometimes means holding fire when it is too dangerous to shoot.

Range rules keep you safe on the range, that's what the SGT Says.

Sunday, November 15, 2009

Keep Out of Trouble

Document, document, document. One of the best things you can do to stay out of trouble is to document everything that happens at an incident. More detail is usually better than less detail. Explain why you did what you did. The suspect generally initiates any violent action. Document what the suspect said or did that needed you to respond with violence.

Suspects will generally telegraph what they are going to do to you or to others. Document those telegraphed actions and words. Paint a word picture of your experience, tell others exactly what happened that caused you to have to use force. Police work is frequently reactionary, based on the suspects actions. Police use of force is generally predictable, we use force when it is legal and our agency policy and training tell us it it a good idea to use force when a specific situation happens.

If the suspect says "I am going to kick your fucking ass." The quote him exactly, as best as you can remember. Indicate the tone of voice the suspect was using, he was loud, firm, strong voice. He was less than a foot away from my face when the shouted that to me. He was pointing his index finger at the center of my chest when he yelled at me. The suspects face was flushed red and the veins were bulging out of his forehead and he was spitting as he screamed. Is there any doubt that that suspect needs to be brought under control? Document what happened, that's what the SGT Says.

Saturday, November 14, 2009

Do Your Job Right

The Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund

Sgt. Chris Edmondson, Officer Dominguez, and Officer Baca have all been indicted for the involuntary manslaughter of Jesse Saenz. They responded to a domestic dispute, during which the suspect was violent and had to be Tased. The suspect was arrested and transported to the station. When at the station, they realized he had stopped breathing and the paramedics were called.

The autopsy revealed that Jesse Saenz had high levels of cocaine, nemzoylecgonine, cocaethylene and hydroxzione in his blood and died as a result of cocaine intoxication. Over time the community complained and eventually the three officers were charged with involuntary manslaughter.

Every day officers risk their lives trying to keep our communities safe. Sometimes they have to kill people to stay alive or save others. Sometimes people die in custody. Officers have a difficult job to do and they should not be subjected to prosecution for doing their jobs in the manner that they have been trained to do them; that's what the SGT Says.

Friday, November 13, 2009


My friend Terry sent the following email to the folks at

"Dear Mr. Frank,

I hope this find you well.

I am writing concerning an order I placed online in 2006. (details follow below)

To sum things up, I placed an order online for 3 shirts.

I never received the items I ordered.

The payment for the order cleared my bank account.

I contacted customer service regarding the matter and was advised they would have to research the matter.

They never called me back.

Since the shirts are probably all gone, I wanted a refund.

I would still like a refund or store credit.

I hate to say it, but I have refused to do business with your company ever since.

I would like to be a satisfied customer and place repeat orders, but the first order I placed went poorly and the issue has yet to be resolved.

I am writing to you to request you verify my concern and issue me a refund or store credit.

Thanks for your time.


Terry "

Naturally, I only have the messages from my friend and like Terry, have not heard from the folks at LAPoliceGear. After reading this message, they won't hear from me either; that's what the SGT Says.

Thursday, November 12, 2009


Once three or four first responder police are on site, they should form a team and move to the sound of gunfire, immediately. They need to communicate to their dispatch the nature of the even and their response. They need to coordinate follow on units, but the next unit to arrive should take over that task from the team to allow them to concentrate on neutralizing the threat.

If there are thought to be multiple suspects in multiple sites, then multiple teams should be formed to deal with each one. A command post needs to be set up very soon to coordinate additional responding units. Medical personnel should be escorted or only allowed into cleared areas. This may delay medical treatment but there are ways to speed things up.

Set up a triage area in a secure spot near the command post. Have medics coordinate the treatment and transport of the injured. Once enough law enforcement arrive, additional teams can penetrate the danger zone and extract the wounded. Some law enforcement vehicles may be needed to snatch and grab some of the wounded and race them to the hospital. Wounded are the second highest priority, that's what the SGT Says.

Wednesday, November 11, 2009

Leave the Wounded

As the initial responders to an active shooter the primary duty is the stop the active shooter. That may be by shooting them, taking them into custody, or even driving them to ground so that the incident becomes a barricaded suspect. Stopping the shooter means that the initial responders must focus on finding the shooter and taking rapid action to stop his violent actions.

That means that the team must bypass locations where additional suspects may be hiding as they move towards the sound of gunfire. It also means the team cannot stop to render aid to victims or even downed officers. This certainly flies in the face of what we have been trained to do in normal situations. You have to focus on the goal of stopping the active shooter to prevent more victims from being created.

How can you justify leaving wounded people, perhaps to die? You have to stop the active shooter. If the initial responders stop to treat wounded, then as they are doing that, other wounded or dead will be created. It is the job of the secondary responders to aid the injured. Leave the paramedics or additional police the job of treating the wounded, go for the shooter; that's what the SGT Says.

Tuesday, November 10, 2009

Active Shooter Response

The first officers to arrive at an active shooter scene must determine the nature of what is happening and coordinate the responding units. Try and find out how many suspects there are, the nature of their weapons, their descriptions, and where they are located.

Time is essential and so once three or four officers are on site you need to move rapidly towards the shooter. The team needs to concentrate on stopping the shooter, not rescuing victims; leave that for follow up officers and paramedics.

The team must rapidly stop the active shooter to stop more people from becoming victims. Once the shooter is located, if he does not surrender, then you must engage him in accordance with your agency shooting policy. Generally, if he is continuing to threaten people with a deadly weapon, then the shooter should be shot until he stops being a threat. Once the threat stops, take the suspect into custody; that's what the SGT Says.

Monday, November 9, 2009


A team of four officers in a diamond formation, one officer on point, one just to the rear and right and left of the point and a rear officer. The officer to the right rear is the unit commander. The point officer watches to the front, the two side officers look to their respective flanks and the rear officer looks to the rear.

The advantage is that the unit can give three officers weapons to any direction. The disadvantage is it is a bit more ponderous to move around than the T formation. This is an excellent formation when you are not really sure where the threat is located. It moves slow, but works well in areas where there are many rooms to check.

The final formation is the stack. Four officers one behind the other, close to one another, the last officer facing to the rear. The stack is best for very narrow areas. It only allows one officer to the front or rear, the second and third officers face to the front, but can look to the side if there is space to check. This works well for a balcony on an apartment building or motel. Pick a formation to use that fits the nature of the threat and the terrain; that's what the SGT Says.

Sunday, November 8, 2009

Active Shooter

Saturday I went to the range with my agency and I conducted pistol, patrol rifle, patrol shotgun, and active shooter training. It was a long day, but a good day, at a local outdoor range. We started with the basics of a quick review of each weapon, and then shot each weapon type. We shot standing still and moving, left, right, and forward and backwards.

Once we got the shooting practice, we formed into teams and did formation training. Our formations were a T formation and a diamond formation. We use four officers, three across, shoulder to shoulder and one at the rear for the T formation. The unit advances with four weapons, usually patrol rifles facing front and the one officer at the rear watching to the rear. This is a great formation for moving to contact an active shooter at the end of a long hallway where you can be reasonably certain the position of the shooter.

It allows three long arms to the front which can put out a high volume of fire, yet the officer to the rear allows you to bypass rooms with a certain degree of assurance if something bad comes out behind you, your officers will have someone watching that area who can respond immediately with fire. With two active shooters in the news this week, our training was very timely; that's what the SGT Says.

Saturday, November 7, 2009

Bomb Response

Response to a bomb threat can be a maddening type of call. One of the biggest problems is you can't generally be sure about if there is really a bomb or not. That means that you have to find someone who can make the decision to evacuate or not. Once you find someone who can make that decision, you have to provide them with good information.

The nature and timing of the threat can tell you some information. If a bar tosses out an unruly patron and three minutes later they get a bomb threat from a seeming drunken caller, there is a high probability that the danger is very low.

People who are familiar with the property are the best ones to search the property. If you are very concerned that the bomb threat is real, then you probably don't want civilians to be looking for a device. If you are pretty sure there is a real bomb, it is best to evacuate everyone and wait for the bomb to explode. Even after a reasonable time, it is best to send in the bomb squad people to check for an as yet unexploded bomb; that's what the SGT Says.

Friday, November 6, 2009

Police Dispatchers

Some of the best dispatchers I ever worked with were either former police officers who were medically retired as officers or who were reserve police officers. Due to their having worked in the field, they have better insights into what the police officers need in the field.

Not every dispatcher needs to be a police officer first. Quite the contrary, most dispatchers are very good at their job. Working with former or reserve police officers makes the dispatchers better at their jobs.

Working in the field gives officers first hand dealings with suspects, and teaches them the specific types of information that officers need when handling calls. Having worked in the field gives a dispatcher insights that they don't get just sitting in the sterile and safe environment of a dispatch center. If I was in charge, I would never let police officers medically retire, I would make them finish their careers as dispatchers with police officer pay; that's what the SGT Says.

Thursday, November 5, 2009

Officer Mr. Ed

Horse police are a very helpful tool. I have always wanted to work as a horse police officer, even though I know nothing about horses and could not possibly afford one, I think it is a great concept. Several times over the years I have worked with horse police officers.

They are great for crowd control. People like horses and so they are less likely to be mean to a horse than to a police officer. People are also afraid of horses, because they are big and strong and can push a crowd back easier than a group of police on foot.

Horse mounted police sit up high and can see over the tops of cars and crowds. They also are difficult for people to recognize as police. I have seen horse mounted police work large parking lots and find car burglars. They could see over the parked cars and catch the thieves in the act. Horse police, they do some things very well, that's what the SGT Says.

Wednesday, November 4, 2009

Seattle Attack

Seattle Police Officer Timothy Brenton was murdered in a drive by shooting this week. The officer and his trainee were sitting in their patrol car and the suspect vehicle drove up and shot both officers for no apparent reason. Trainee Officer Britt Sweeney called for help and jumped out of the police car and returned fire. She can work patrol with me anytime.

Anything you do can get you killed, including doing nothing. Just sitting in your patrol car alongside the side of the road. Writing notes on the back of a ticket, catching up on your patrol log, going over the rookies training packet, doing nothing, getting killed. Doing what you do every shift.

The trainee noticed the unusual vehicle behavior before the attack. She bent over to take cover. She called in the attack to dispatch. Despite being wounded she exited her patrol car and returned fire. Officer Timothy Brenton should have been proud that his trainee was able to do so well on the worst day of her police career. My condolences to the family of Officer Brenton. My congratulations to Officer Sweeney on her excellent police skills. Be careful out there, even doing nothing; that's what the SGT Says.

Tuesday, November 3, 2009

Terror Attacks

In a recent raid on suspect Islamic terrorists, the FBI had to kill one suspect and an FBI canine was killed in the line of duty. Islamic groups have moved in all over the United States and recently Al Queda published a bulletin to encourage people to use home made bombs to attack the West.

Are there Islamic terrorists in your jurisdiction? Could there be good targets for Islamic terrorists in you patrol zone? While you may not have a World Trade Center, or a large military or government installation, you could still have many places were a terrorist may want to plant a bomb.

Recent terror attacks have happened in marketplaces and transportation networks. Trains, subways and commuter trains have been popular targets for terrorists. They are good places to kill a number of people and disrupt our economic infrastructure at the same time. A little extra patrol in those areas would be a good idea; that's what the SGT Says.

Monday, November 2, 2009

Just Before Patrol

Just as I am getting ready to go to roll call and start working in the field, I use the restroom, wash my hands and check my uniform in a mirror. Law enforcement can be very unpredictable and there have been many times when I have found myself either running from call to call to call, or stuck on some perimeter and unable to move for hours. You can't just run off and go to the bathroom.

I wash my hands frequently when at work. Besides dealing with the general public, police have to deal with all kinds of people, in all kinds of places. Very few of those places are very clean, and many have large numbers of people. Not just the recent flu worries, but many other viruses, bacterias, and even toxins are out there where police have to go and conduct their work. Washing hands is an important defense against those tiny dangers.

The uniform should look good. The manner in which one attires oneself for work is important. A quick check in the mirror will give you an additional perspective on your uniform and equipment. Is the shirt tucked in properly? Is the "gig line" straight? The belt buckle, and the live of the pants zipper and shirt buttons should be lined up smartly. One final check before going out and fighting crime; that's what the SGT Says.

Sunday, November 1, 2009

Shoot Fast and Accurate

When a suspect points a firearm at you, your response should be to aim your weapon at them and shoot them until they are no longer a threat to you or any other innocent person. You need to move to cover, if possible and give verbal commands if you can. Neither of these two activities should slow your shooting.

When a firearm is necessary, accuracy and speed are often the two most essential elements. In a real gun battle, only hits on the target count, so you must be accurate. Since most gun battles are over in seconds, you don't have much time to aim

The suspect must be shot until they are no longer a threat. That may mean one shot, it may mean fifty shots. Some suspects are able to absorb large numbers of hits due to drug or alcohol intoxication, sheer determination, or the use of body armor or even thick clothing. It is not our intention to kill the suspect, only stop them from hurting anyone. If they die, it is an unintended consequence of a series of events that was started by the suspect; that's what the SGT Says.